This transcript is of a conversation between the CEO’s Balthazar Schlep and Lis who has been experimenting with various sorcery techniques. We do not recommend emulating Lis’ experiments at home.

Lis is italicised to differentiate the voices.

CC is Carlos Castaneda. DJ is Don Juan. AP is Assemblage point (the energetic intensity that determines what reality will be experienced). IOB is inorganic being

I think the reticulum solves my general manifestationist problem since if we make it a presupposition and not a theory the reticulum constitutes an ontological level of connectivity that is not part of philosophical debate, if we treat it as a ground zero ontological reality, rather like the Laruellian one (but better) it is not subject to theory in the same way. Yet better than the Laruellian one, it can sort of be spoken about (I understand he does something like this too though I have never got that far), because it is only hidden and not speculative.

Yes, to your first assertion. The impeccability rule is washed out in later activities and works of CC much like the metaphysics and logics of stoicism are distilled into an unifying aesthetic serving as rule-of-thumb morality. The notion of impeccability is clearly “lost” to whatever has become of it. The term might be tainted.

About the exciting stuff that yanks you out of the comfort of madness is very akin to DJ finally realizing CC needs his notebook and changing approaches, wanting him to learn to continue writing but with his fingers over the air instead in a surface of scientific recording. I think DJ understood how difficult for someone non-indigenous like himself it is to leave old habits. I always had an intuition that the finger writing in the air thing was DJ trying to make CC realize how the very fabric of reality is a recording apparatus of which his notebook is a mere imitation. Something almost Platonic (or its inverse). To get lost in the excitement of production is such a tool to record and “annotate the air”. It feels like reproduction, in some ways, while the comfort of madness feels like constantly remaining pregnant.

To get a balance of this, a really impeccable one, probably feels like “seeing”. As in seeing the leaves go orange and understanding its fall season (just like it might be time to put in a different kind of work than what we’ve been concentrating for a while). This last thing, this comfort that we get in continuing to do that thing that initially gave us a spark could be seen as what DJ calls indulging. In a way, impeccability could be also to know (via seeing) when to shift focus (which means shifting the AP back). The Julian guy was said by DJ to be a type of sorcerer that likes to go to the bottom of the pool and remain there. DJ personally was afraid of doing so.

It really just depends on the person. There are no rules. In my case, intercalating different types of work help. But I have something probably more important, which is to shut down all writing and project stuff for a period in the year and just focus on my body (working out, seeing friends), etc.

In my experience, it had to be something “useless”. Something that we know just serves the sake of itself (like meditation).

About the reticulum thing, I agree that it solves the problem. And it’s amazing how it came up from conversations like this. In trying to crack your accretive theory, we find ourselves delineating a somewhat universal definition of sorcery as not a system itself but the negativity intrinsic to any system, what conditions conversation between systems (a theory of metaphysical translation?).

“As non-philosophical rebellion is enacted, it cannot regress or belong to the philosophical tradition, but it has effects on it and for it. Laruelle notes that pure heresy is a discovery “that exceeds both philosophy and science and puts them into relations unknown to either”

“As non-philosophical rebellion is enacted, it cannot regress or belong to the philosophical tradition, but it has effects on it and for it. Laruelle notes that pure heresy is a discovery “that exceeds both philosophy and science and puts them into relations unknown to either” Isn’t this sorcery? But doesn’t sorcery itself also show how heresy is simply a reflection/residue from his quantum Christianity? To give such a name to something that has this quality of colligation (such as between science and philosophy) is almost the same as to name it “The Transgressive” all over again.

Sorcery is only heresy from the viewpoint that created particular systems in reciprocal relationship (Western institutions such as science, philosophy, and religion in the Christian sense). So while heresy is something powerful, it remains a bubble (its sphere of action is inside the field of relations between the particular institutions that produce its possibility). But heresy is NOT heresy anymore when we consider it sorcery from sorcery’s viewpoint (which creates a zone of alienation in which no institutions are allowed, rather than create an eternal struggle against an ineffable apparatus like the State in Anti-Oedipus).

If we do not operate from a scientific/religious/philosophical etc. stand-point, we cannot be heretics (but we are necessarily sorcerers).

Don’t you think something needed here is the ability to differentiate sorcery from chaos magick which is in fairness its closest competitor, I’m not saying this is too difficult but it would need doing, it is a bit of a funny one as CM person can just appropriate anything of from sorcery, totally involve themselves in it except that of course sorcery in the sense of the new seers thing pretty much entirely undercuts that, though there are some exceptions, the assemblage point, the eagle. CM of course entirely welcomes any old highly ritualized practice it just grants it no reality in itself, then there is the psychonaut community who you could argue are closer even to sorcery than CM except I think they are at least partially based in these being explorations of the mind and not necessarily a wider reality, but some of that tendency are less interested in magick and more in exploration, hence the sorcery connection, except again they are almost entirely grounded in entheogens.

I think what I have to say of this breakthrough is the chaos magick differentiator you seek. My guy, the IOB thing was way bigger than I thought.

I told you that I had sensed it as that weird ball of dark energy with a shifting opening that was light itself, and that it pulsated in the top corner of the room.

Today I noticed two things at the same time, before a third thing happened that left me flabbergasted (in a good way).

The two things I noticed first were an outburst of golden energy as if coming from the horizon, in a droning scream of bird, and the other was that the light of the IOB approached my palm and my left eye started to dilate its pupil alone, transforming the air into visible inscriptions that danced as a thick fog came from all the ways like a wall.

The air that transformed into visible inscriptions was the light coming from the IOB, and they just stayed there until I decided, by myself, to let them dance over my body. So they started to crawl over my skin and become like tattoos (tribal tattoos).

When the process was approaching a certain limit, the entire light became the moon’s (as if the ceiling of the room was erased), and I finally understood that the place the IOB was pulsating from was the placement of the moon’s orbit.

I remember a moment of pure intent when the moon asked if she could, now that my body was inscribed, inhabit it. But it did not feel like someone asking me, as in a personal force. It felt like a oneness, that I was speaking the language of the moon.

And so I just left the dance take its course and so it happens that the outbursts of bird scream and golden light I noticed all the while were screams. I quite literally cannot explain how I knew this and what happened after. It felt safe the whole time, though. Nothing like Carlitos’ scares. And I was surprised at myself for not getting scared.

So yeah, the IOB was actually the moon and I seem to have channelled her into.

Hmm proper second attention stuff.

The moon or a lunar being?

It fits with the dark and the light If the thing is brighter generally now maybe it is altering with the moon cycle.

The power you’ve tapped seems to be drawing you into a kind of shamanic world/nature. If it does alter with the moon cycle this means what you are experiencing is a deep accretion. Again I’m not being dismissive but of course the moonphase is human contingent. In a sense at least, but aeons have passed since humans accreted agency to the moon. This doesn’t deny it might have a nature of relations of other kinds, but the accretion is the kind of human interface. I mean this is madness but if we were to wonder then we could ask ‘what the fuck is the moon up to?’ So I’m thinking: Silver. Moon colour of classic antiquity, I think this might be a line. Speculative of course. Silver atomic number 47. I mean the madness of the reticulum is of course that rather like the Landian AI god. The line I’ve just drawn is now real. ‘Then this line drawn is a key’. Maybe Crowley’s lines are the reticular lines.

I don’t know if it was a moon cycle or just that right window of moment (some 10 days) the moon stayed there (here we have different lunar cycles because there’s no four seasons, just two).The moon generally stays put in a place for like two weeks before shifting to another position (not changing phases). So it’s full moon half the year. Continuously.

I thought the moon phases were the same everywhere.

I don’t know about nominal synchronicities, but I’ve always felt a strong affective pull towards the moon. It was kind of my thing for a while. It might’ve started then

I believe you in all these things, but my rational occult filters do what they do.

Oh, I’m not taking this seriously. I mean, it’s experimentally cool. I won’t go crazy or anything.

Hahaha

Yes, I know. I mean that here specifically in the Northern regions the cities are usually built in tbe altitudes or depressions (the area is all curved). So we live inside circuits of mounts forming like a pan around a city. The difference in moon phases in the Southern and Northern hemispheres of the globe is the same, but they’re “inverted”. However, because here North we have these different atmospheric compositions, the “side” of the moon that’s dark still gets reflected. So it appears as if there’s full moon half the year and a small, almost minuscule moon for the other half. These two influx the pressure of the depression to build up and pummel the winds covered in a thick haze. It’s when we get the “full moon”. When it settles more, in comes the dryness and so goes the moon (it remains almost invisible to the naked eye).

The fixity of it is also a matter of optical illusion. Due to the refraction of the dim light amid the gases over the depression (surrounded by mounts like a pan), during the “full moon” season we can see it better just down there in the city of specific places in the sierras

But I only relate how it felt. I was just saying it felt like the moon, not considering it rationally. That’s the experiment, right? So if anything this moon thing is linked to this, since it’s connected to the droughts (when the moon vanishes here).

I do think it’s a shamanic/world thing as you say. For sure if any tapping with the moon (even if we go by scientific rigour) or moon-adjacent thing is for an earthly “cause”. This cause does indeed feel like being called as a helper, or something of the like.

“We are nothing but a swarm of telepathic spirits,
Each screaming for our own attention,
Each reading the other’s intention
Seranoga (1964)

This transcript is of a conversation between the CEO’s Balthazar Schlep and Lis who has been experimenting with various sorcery techniques. We do not recommend emulating Lis’ experiments at home.

Lis is italicised to differentiate the voices.

CC is Carlos Castaneda. DJ is Don Juan. AP is Assemblage point (the energetic intensity that determines what reality will be experienced). IOB is inorganic being

() wants to know how much of this can be done without entheogens?

I can do it without the drugs.

Just digesting what you said in bits. Your nodes theory seems possible but we’re in crazy land here. Who knows, I assumed the energy just dispersed. Why would it leave a node marker?

I think in an opposite manner. I think I come from asking “why would disperse it”? Coming from a post-relativity (in physics) mindset, I tend to just ask how something is gonna stop that other thing.

I suppose I think that because the animal is dead so the general awareness is gone.

You know, the inertia law in a vacuum, so if there isn’t a reason for something to dissipate, I assume it won’t.

Or if it’s gone, why is there a marker? I see, I am assuming a kind of entropy, it’s true. But still surely seems weird in such a flux like universe to have static blobs like this, which is why I thought they were probably like alien energetic poke throughs from some other level.

I see, it’s true, it is a completely open, the topic as to what they are. In that moment I was just channelling a feeling of what it seemed like. it felt like something familiar. () said of IOBs that “They also like to obsess people with irrelevant details, like the “nodes”.” So, without knowing or trying to understand what is being related, he just picks the word “nodes” and throws it to the side, implying via the quotation marks that it’s just a concept in the sense of a nominal notion, something too subjective to matter, a dream in the illusory sense. “It’s like pretending to be a demon, to scare people.” Here he is quoting DJ using other words, when DJ was showcasing his pessimism to CC about how there is no point to wanting power anymore, that power only serves to scare indians.

“They also pretend to have important details, to obsess you.” Again quoting the books with other words, just the advice from Genaro’s boys in general. There is even a part when, if I remember correctly, La Gorda or someone else said they only keep saying this to CC because they don’t get to obsess over anything, IOBs don’t offer them playthings.

“They get energy either way.” This paints the IOBs as just power-hungry things divested of anything but the intent to more power (which is, logically, no intent at all but just the recursive nature of power).

“Best way to think of them as they’re little kids with magic disguise boxes. Can be anything, or do anything, to get attention. Once you figure that out, they stop doing that and become more reliable.” I would say that doing this is very belittling and may be the reason Dan is bonkers, because if the IOBs are like what I experienced or how the books describe, they are not little fairy-like children that you can just scoff at. He thinks this shows impeccability (remaining still in the face of IOBs, understanding them as intellectually lesser), but it shows projection and resolution (classic neurotic loop). We can see how this goes well with what I said prior, that they think there is some purity to it all. They seem to gatekeep this because it’s like defending a virgin to them, or the waters of youth never touched by human if not to help the sacred tree drink from it.

“Or if you read the books, you have to “wrestle” them. But you aren’t always wrestling them physically.” He is an easy one to crack. Just look at how he uses quotation marks like the way I described. By saying “wrestle”, he is implying something devoid of meaning from a logical stand-point, something ineffable that cannot be analyzed (so it might as well be useless).

This is idealism of an extreme tinge to it, but not properly organized or made sense in a holistic manner. He is discombobulated in his speech and reveals every single one of his cards without much care, he just bursts into expressing himself because he thinks he is at the pinnacle of power in that subreddit (energetically speaking) and gave up “finding a nagual”.

“Fancy, my “evil” IOB, used to drop cages on me. Until I ignored each variety. And then she stopped doing that.” What the fuck

“IOBs look like and do what you expect. And while everything they do is significant, it’s only significant in your case. And you’ll never figure out what it was, unless you can summon them daily and make friends with them.” This goes against our understanding of sorcery as something that pushes magick to a bodily transformation-like function of war and battle. This defeated attitude of “it will only do something for you and only you” is solipsistic in the same way magic is being criticized for not possessing economically relevant applications since the ancients. Until it found its first great application that was the monastery and the order of what D&G call the “celibate machines” in the early church. Now, this is the application of organic magic, the mutation, and the growth of the virtual form of capital as the techno-theocratic state. In short, he thinks IOBs are tulpas.

But a tulpa, as we’ve talked about through Lynch, is a projection that replicates a reticular manifestation through an artificial telos (intention towards a task). This telos itself could be “become sentient” or “become free”, which is the principle of the alchemical golem, the homunculus. This we know, of course, but it doesn’t seem to me that () knows that what he is thinking are IOBs are his own projections of virtual forms of tulpas.

It would make sense with his graph (that I just saw yesterday) tracing the whole circuitry of what the subreddit is about. He has pet projections (like the purple puffs or the tulpas) which he took from CC-adjacent stuff and his own things as someone who was involved later on, and he uses these pet projections as simulated accretions that can them be energized by the very act of practicing them. In other words, the subreddit has become a way to channel subjective intent into his projections (once he knows he cannot do some things due to the limitation of the nagual being lost).

He thinks he is doing this as a way to preserve the knowledge of these things.

You really think his IOBs are just chaos magick accretion/egregores?

Definitely, he does indeed pass that energy. He is someone in a bad loop. I don’t think he is interacting with true IOBs at all. They seem like devious projections. We gotta remember, Carlitos only did the IOB thing properly split. This guy is proclaiming that just about everyone can “summon them” and call them pet names and silence them, but they’re like interdimensional gods. Both ideas co-exist in his mind.

As you say correctly there is like a total focus on the later books, which I can see rules out a lot of old seers type magic like practices but I think throws away too much. Yes he is making light of interactions with things and encouraging the weird pet name thing, telling people they’ll get crazy powers, it’s not good.

Indeed, it is very weird and that’s why I just felt weird from the start when that guy showed up almost a year ago now.

Do you think like they are like gods? Aren’t they interdimensional beings? Just animals from totally different environments.

No, I mean like for ()  they’re at the same time powerful things like Gods and fairy-like minute things that you can pet-call and ignore. He thinks both of these things which makes no sense.

I see.

Indeed, I think it is. I agree that phenomenologically what is happening is bonkers and all over conceptual spaces of all kinds. But the way he phrases it is so dismissive of the entire thing. It’s like he wants to make anyone give up on sorcery. He closed himself off in a half-formed world, and the window to that, that connects what he’s made of his world with ours is simply that subreddit

It does indeed seem like he wants to make it impossible, 3 hours a day dark room , three hours a day recapitulation. I think he thinks he’s what’s left of the lineage. Carlos couldn’t really do it and produced people like this, maybe he’s even one of the better ones who knows.

I think it’s no joke when the naguals say CC fucked up bad and imagine his daily routine in the 90s. Mansions full of people like (), fighting for attention of someone who essentially became a guru.

He did fail, they knew he was going to fail, and he knew it too.

Yes, and this has some correlation with the entire mythos of Mexican indigenous culture as well. With the motif being that of loss.

As Genaro says at one point: ‘you’re the sorriest looking nagual I’ve ever seen’.

Just as some priests and conquistadores reported weird scenes where entire cities would just go silently away into the forest and leave all the gold and good for the “blonde people”, without a fight or fear just a really weird cosmology that hinges on the notion of loss.

That phrase got me hard when I first read it. It’s so melancholic. It reads like he doesn’t expect to ever find another full nagual. It’s like an ennui. Which in a way marks the failure of DJ already, of adapting fully.

We can see a lot of distaste towards DJ in the subreddit. The focus on later works and ways of life is so huge that it’s common that people there try to shift the blame of CC’s failure to DJ. And this thing I realized about the darkroom being something you “make” by altering the physiology of your pupils and ears is telling that my “youness” needs to, indeed, be tamed a bit. Or else we’re suggesting the “new darkroom” The numbing of the experimentee’s excitement is essential. Dan is acting in a way his warped circuitry makes him think is impeccable. If he stops, he breaks for good. Which is by itself a form of impeccability But weakened, expended.

It’s all such a mess and it reminds me for a lot of people and indeed the general positivity you do hear about CC is of course exactly the impeccability thing. Not the madness, which as discussed is in many ways no use to anyone. The systems’s usage to general people is just to pull themselves up a bit and try their best in what they do and don’t get hung up thinking shit over and over again. It is also clear someone could live as a warrior and never have anything to do with the madness. Indeed I myself with my general lack of ability in the liminal ways do end up considering exactly these notions, because once you face this kind of ‘there is nothing better to do whilst alive than temper your spirit’, this is quite hard to find fault with. What’s harder is trying to trim and improve and not sit there sneakily hoping ‘have i done enough trimming for something weird to happen, which is ridiculous.

I realised something, for me that is, one of the best ways to dislocate myself from the weirdness is exactly to get excited about all this writing stuff, it is as CC would describe a ‘shield.’ These kinds of exciting flows make me really engaged with the CEO generally and simultaneously nearly kill my actual ability to be silent, or certain feelings I get when I know I am closer to the weirdness, we could call them subtle AP shifts.

This transcript is of a conversation between the CEO’s Balthazar Schlep and Lis who has been experimenting with various sorcery techniques. We do not recommend emulating Lis’ experiments at home.

Lis is italicised to differentiate the voices.

CC is Carlos Castaneda. DJ is Don Juan. AP is Assemblage point (the energetic intensity that determines what reality will be experienced).

Have you by any chance seen anything that does resemble the human as egg type perception? umbilical will tentacles? the AP itself? Hmm and just to indulge slightly it does make me wonder if the accretive process isn’t a kind of mass entanglement? I believe we do now have some (scientific) experimental evidence for macro level object entanglement.

This feels so much the case

This would not be scientifically accepted though -the accretive entanglement notion.

It’s sorcery.

Of course.

It’s liable to break the systems put in place to make this impossible in the first place.

What’s weird again seems that division between magic and sorcery. As soon as I talk about accretions it almost seems rational compared to sorcery. It’s like the vertical/ horizontal thing. Bizarrely magic is just a vertical movement and sorcery is horizontal (tree and rhizome in Deleuze and Guattari). Yet in relation to regular reality it is the accretions that looks horizontal. Sorcery is such an unfathomably deep cut. It seems like opening up a realm so ridiculously vast.

Just to add something before I tackle this: The AP is something that we can displace along our bodies, right? If this were me changing my AP, my body would be way too “big”. In regards of luminous body, this can’t be the case. If it is an AP change that makes it possible to do this stuff, it’s because what is happening is not a displace of AP in my luminous body, but the reciprocity of perspectives between me and something that answered the call when the AP was pushed to the furthest extreme of my attention. I agree with your magick/sorcery remark.

The thing will be enabling you to move the AP.

It feels like sorcery is the terminal point of magick when it enters battle-magic stage because it is more violent, in all senses. It is more urgent. There is urgency instead of tendency (the concept of tendency, from Aristotle, does not work with sorcery at all, only agencies exist after a certain point, and agencies do not have tendencies [only particles compounding into those subjectivities/agencies have tendency]. And so after a certain point, after an opening of the luminous sphere, all that can be really sensed is the constant fluxing expression of urgency in the behaviour of inorganic things that’s how, I think, panpsychism presents a pitfall in a way. A pitfall in the comprehension of these possibilities, putting into boxes as properties what are simply relationships, reciprocities and reverberations. Indeed to that, the thing feels like a surrogate for the AP. I think Dan might be onto something in sync with what we’re doing here, look at this from the subreddit:

“Carlos traced the path the assemblage point takes when moved towards heightened awareness by your own power.

Wev’e been doing darkroom based on his lecture on the topic. And nothing wrong with that! It’s a true understanding.

But Juan got to wondering about something. And suggested “depth” didn’t mean what we thought. I looked at the egg diagram again, and realized one whole egg diagram had been overlooked. It’s true that we have no Nagual. And so, we can’t manage “the Nagual’s Blow”. But that’s a different diagram on the original egg diagram. It’s a dramatic deformation of the entire egg. Because it was so dramatic, I assumed we can’t do that. That we can’t move into the interior of the cheese slice which represents Man’s Band. But there, in that same diagram, Carlos shows what a shift into the interior looks like. Not so dramatic we can’t do that ourselves! But wait… Now that I think about it, we’re trying to make a “dent” in our energy body, using the finger wiggling. If we can dent our energy body by ourselves, why can’t we make a dent in our egg, by ourselves? Just a small one, like shown there. It would explain why “depth” is used sometimes, and doesn’t seem to correspond to moving the assemblage point, “down”. Then I realized… Carol Tiggs told us we could do that, at a workshop! Everyone likely assumed she was not speaking literally, and was simply tired of everyone asking her to do the Nagual’s blow on them. Always looking for the lazy way out! We’re hopeless. But in fact, Carol had already told us about this direction we forgot we could move our assemblage points! She even implied you could do that by pushing on it. Or someone else pushing on it. Here’s Juan’s idea. It’s even different than I was thinking. He’s making a “dent”, but it’s not straight in, like Carlos shows. It’s sort of a “wrinkle” causes by moving down?” (Castaneda Subreddit)

The fluxing metalic gas-like opening of light might be this “dent” he’s talking about.

“This process of emphasizing certain emanations,” don Juan went on, “was discovered and practiced by the old seers. They realized that a nagual man or a nagual woman, by the fact that they have extra strength, can push the emphasis away from the usual emanations and make it shift to neighboring ones. That push is known as the nagual’s blow.” Don Juan said that the shift was utilized by the old seers in practical ways to keep their apprentices in bondage. With that blow they made their apprentices enter into a state of heightened, keenest, most impressionable awareness; while they were helplessly pliable, the old seers taught them aberrant techniques that made the apprentices into sinister men, just like their teachers. The new seers employ the same technique, but instead of using it for sordid purposes, they use it to guide their apprentices to learn about man’s possibilities. Don Juan explained that the nagual’s blow has to be delivered on a precise spot, on the assemblage point, which varies minutely from person to person. Also, the blow has to be delivered by a nagual who sees. He assured me that it is equally useless to have the strength of a nagual and not see, as it is to see and not have the strength of a nagual, in either case the results are just blows. A seer could strike on the precise spot over and over without the strength to move awareness. and a non-seeing nagual would not be able to strike the precise spot.” (The Fire from Within)

It definitely feels like this might be the case, since I put this cousin of mine in a bind that she wouldn’t get up from that same spot for the entirety of our session there, as I myself had stayed in that spot for previous sessions. I then, to ground myself and her, asked for a number to which she said 5. Every time I sensed any mood swing in the amalgamated mass of emotions that was the room, I asked her “the number?” to which she always replied 5 and stabilized things (I did this often). If it were the case, then, the nodes themselves seem to conform with the description of what makes us human: our luminous bodies, the cocoons. These nodes are simply lumps of purer awareness that need certain energetic conditions “opening” the seer so that they may shine a bit opaquer and interaction become possible through the surrogate ally displacing the AP in this newfound coordinate Dan is arguing for. In other words, the nodes are alien but all-too-human. And I don’t mean any dead, I mean impeccable warriors that left for the second attention entirely, for the third, or are in the process of such. The nodes are like cocoons either left behind or still maturing. It seems that the ones that reverberate (rotate) are one of those two. I don’t know which, though. It would be very telling either way.

One of those, probably the one that asserts it’s “people” still maturing, seems to fall into the pitfalls of panpsychism. It feels more correct that reverberation happens between the cocoons entirely vestigial, that have become fossil marks, residual power like black holes, left for the taking not for any other warrior, but by power itself, because power begets itself. And so they’re, at the same time reservatories of power, pools in fact, also traps. Because if meek power approaches them and tries to bend the hardest, in the mingling of reciprocal displacement, the weaker will be bent and its power sucked away into that thing. Any power that is taken away from itself and amassed into a box-like node, frees the one that left that node as a corpse-like blueprint of itself (because, as people of knowledge, we need to win the fight against the blinding strength of power — so they leave their power not entirely behind but in this intermezzo place, this middle, this liminal lodge)

A benefactor is someone who sees the immature nodes and helps them crack, like an egg (this is not certain to work, but to become a benefactor one has to have left their own node “behind”, and so they can reverberate with the immature egg-like node). That’s what Silvio Manuel was doing to CC. The fear he induced on CC was because his benefaction was happening at the nodal level, and so he seemed like the night itself to CC, because he was trying to apply pressure to his softer node through reverberation. At first, DJ found it best that CC did not know this. He shifted his attention towards the other-side benefactor that was Genaro. Genaro was like light itself compared.

Last thing: He also said that the old seers discovered that the assemblage point is not in the physical body, but in the luminous shell, in the cocoon itself. The nagual identifies that spot by its intense luminosity and pushes it, rather than striking it. The force of the push creates a dent in the cocoon and it is felt like a blow to the right shoulder blade, a blow that knocks all the air out of the lungs. Took this from that website about the nagual blow. It’s interesting because as she tried to catch the grey cat with her eyes, I asked her the number, she replied 5 and then I suddenly started seeing the cat as well, but silvery. What happened next I took as just an after-effect of the drugs, but I guess it wasn’t: she was sitting on the other extreme of the same place, on my right. If the blow comes from your right, it makes sense, since she fell down face to my arm and passed out for a moment before returning and sharing visuals with me (we having the same visual trip). If she fell towards me, on her left side, it’s because if there was any physical sensation of blow it was coming from her right side.

“The assemblage point of man appears around a definite area of the cocoon, because the Eagle commands it,” he said. “But the precise spot is determined by habit, by repetitious acts. First we learn that it can be placed there and then we ourselves command it to be there. Our command becomes the Eagle’s command and that point is fixated at that spot. Consider this very carefully; our command becomes the Eagle’s command. The old seers paid dearly for that finding. We’ll come back to that later on.” Question: Does he come back to this in other books? Maybe The Art of Dreaming? Because this is sounding a lot like what I just told you, the leftover “shells” of power. “He stated once again that the old seers had concentrated exclusively on developing thousands of the most complex techniques of sorcery. He added that what they never realized was that their intricate devices, as bizarre as they were, had no other value than being the means to break the fixation of their assemblage points and make them move.”

The people on the subreddit are afraid of this but they do not know what it is. They have no nagual and borrow energy from other people, but not any drugs. This is very concerning and weird. There is too much residual “Western” thought in them that they think is annihilated, so someone like Dan just projects something and tries to fight there.

They’re in a loop in which they think to have achieved some sort of purity. They seem to think that the “mind” is any different from “reason”, and so maintain a type of panpsy approach that is anti-rationalist while postulating completely ideal conditions (mind = soul, strictly personal energy). When I cannot find a point (of earlier works) in which reason is made correlative with mind. It’s often the opposite. But I see now that they prefer the later books (and Dan has theories that discard things from older books)

Promise this is the last thing: “By all ordinary measures, you were indeed losing your mind,” he said, “but in the seers’ view, if you had lost it, you wouldn’t have lost much. The mind, for a seer, is nothing but the self-reflection of the inventory of man. If you lose that self-reflection, but don’t lose your underpinnings, you actually live an infinitely stronger life than if you had kept it.” From “The Fire from Within”. This loss of self-reflection is what happens to the “underpinnings”, the infrastructure of the sorcerer, which leads into the nodal life of staying invisible and unmovable. The nodes are alive, which is something I’ve felt since the first time.

This transcript is of a conversation between the CEO’s Balthazar Schlep and Lis who has been experimenting with various sorcery techniques. We do not recommend emulating Lis’ experiments at home.

Lis is italicised to differentiate the voices.

CC is Carlos Castaneda. DJ is Don Juan.

“Os sinto como energia alienígena, Ponho minha intenção em sua direção como se fosse lá,
Em certo sentido, sinto-os como estática nimbular acumulada, como acumulação de energia cúmulo-nimbo
Assim posso conjurar minha atenção para viajar, quase astralmente,
Se tento isso, risco cair nas profundezas da sonolência como se desejasse sonhar, corro arriscando virar algo perigoso…”

Seranoga (1964)

This feels so much the case.

This would not be scientifically accepted though -the accretive entanglement notion.

It’s sorcery.

Of course.

It’s liable to break the systems put in place to make this impossible in the first place.

What’s weird again seems that division between magic and sorcery. As soon as I talk about accretions it almost seems rational compared to sorcery. It’s like the vertical/ horizontal thing. Bizarrely magic is just a vertical movement and sorcery is horizontal (tree and rhizome in Deleuze and Guattari). Yet in relation to regular reality it is the accretions that looks horizontal. Sorcery is such an unfathomably deep cut. It seems like opening up a realm so ridiculously vast.

Just to add something before I tackle this: The AP is something that we can displace along our bodies, right? If this were me changing my AP, my body would be way too “big”. In regards of luminous body, this can’t be the case. If it is an AP change that makes it possible to do this stuff, it’s because what is happening is not a displace of AP in my luminous body, but the reciprocity of perspectives between me and something that answered the call when the AP was pushed to the furthest extreme of my attention. I agree with your magick/sorcery remark.

The thing will be enabling you to move the AP.

It feels like sorcery is the terminal point of magick when it enters battle-magic stage because it is more violent, in all senses. It is more urgent. There is urgency instead of tendency (the concept of tendency, from Aristotle, does not work with sorcery at all, only agencies exist after a certain point, and agencies do not have tendencies [only particles compounding into those subjectivities/agencies have tendency]. And so after a certain point, after an opening of the luminous sphere, all that can be really sensed is the constant fluxing expression of urgency in the behaviour of inorganic things that’s how, I think, panpsychism presents a pitfall in a way. A pitfall in the comprehension of these possibilities, putting into boxes as properties what are simply relationships, reciprocities and reverberations. Indeed to that, the thing feel like a surrogate for the AP. I think Dan might be onto something in sync with what we’re doing here, look at this from the subreddit:

“Carlos traced the path the assemblage point takes when moved towards heightened awareness by your own power.

Wev’e been doing darkroom based on his lecture on the topic.

And nothing wrong with that! It’s a true understanding.

But Juan got to wondering about something.

And suggested “depth” didn’t mean what we thought.

I looked at the egg diagram again, and realized one whole egg diagram had been overlooked.

It’s true that we have no Nagual. And so, we can’t manage “the Nagual’s Blow”.

But that’s a different diagram on the original egg diagram. It’s a dramatic deformation of the entire egg.

Because it was so dramatic, I assumed we can’t do that.

That we can’t move into the interior of the cheese slice which represents Man’s Band.

But there, in that same diagram, Carlos shows what a shift into the interior looks like.

Not so dramatic we can’t do that ourselves!

But wait… Now that I think about it, we’re trying to make a “dent” in our energy body, using the finger wiggling.

If we can dent our energy body by ourselves, why can’t we make a dent in our egg, by ourselves?

Just a small one, like shown there.

It would explain why “depth” is used sometimes, and doesn’t seem to correspond to moving the assemblage point, “down”.

Then I realized…

Carol Tiggs told us we could do that, at a workshop!

Everyone likely assumed she was not speaking literally, and was simply tired of everyone asking her to do the Nagual’s blow on them.

Always looking for the lazy way out! We’re hopeless.

But in fact, Carol had already told us about this direction we forgot we could move our assemblage points!

She even implied you could do that by pushing on it. Or someone else pushing on it.

Here’s Juan’s idea. It’s even different than I was thinking.

He’s making a “dent”, but it’s not straight in, like Carlos shows.

It’s sort of a “wrinkle” causes by moving down?” (Castaneda Subreddit)

The fluxing metalic gas-like opening of light might be this “dent” he’s talking about.

“This process of emphasizing certain emanations,” don Juan went on, “was discovered and practiced by the old seers. They realized that a nagual man or a nagual woman, by the fact that they have extra strength, can push the emphasis away from the usual emanations and make it shift to neighboring ones. That push is known as the nagual’s blow.” Don Juan said that the shift was utilized by the old seers in practical ways to keep their apprentices in bondage. With that blow they made their apprentices enter into a state of heightened, keenest, most impressionable awareness; while they were helplessly pliable, the old seers taught them aberrant techniques that made the apprentices into sinister men, just like their teachers. The new seers employ the same technique, but instead of using it for sordid purposes, they use it to guide their apprentices to learn about man’s possibilities. Don Juan explained that the nagual’s blow has to be delivered on a precise spot, on the assemblage point, which varies minutely from person to person. Also, the blow has to be delivered by a nagual who sees. He assured me that it is equally useless to have the strength of a nagual and not see, as it is to see and not have the strength of a nagual, in either case the results are just blows. A seer could strike on the precise spot over and over without the strength to move awareness. and a non-seeing nagual would not be able to strike the precise spot.” (The Fire from Within)

It definitely feels like this might be the case, since I put this cousin of mine in a bind that she wouldn’t get up from that same spot for the entirety of our session there, as I myself had stayed in that spot for previous sessions. I then, to ground myself and her, asked for a number to which she said 5. Every time I sensed any mood swing in the amalgamated mass of emotions that was the room, I asked her “the number?” to which she always replied 5 and stabilized things (I did this often).

If it were the case, then, the nodes themselves seem to conform with the description of what makes us human: our luminous bodies, the cocoons. These nodes are simply lumps of purer awareness that need certain energetic conditions “opening” the seer so that they may shine a bit opaquer and interaction become possible through the surrogate ally displacing the AP in this newfound coordinate Dan is arguing for. In other words, the nodes are alien but all-too-human

And I don’t mean any dead, I mean impeccable warriors that left for the second attention entirely, for the third, or are in the process of such. The nodes are like cocoons either left behind or still maturing. It seems that the ones that reverberate (rotate) are one of those two. I don’t know which, though. It would be very telling either way.

One of those, probably the one that asserts it’s “people” still maturing, seems to fall into the pitfalls of panpsychism. It feels more correct that reverberation happens between the cocoons entirely vestigial, that have become fossil marks, residual power like black holes, left for the taking not for any other warrior, but by power itself, because power begets itself. And so they’re, at the same time reservatories of power, pools in fact, also traps. Because if meek power approaches them and tries to bend the hardest, in the mingling of reciprocal displacement, the weaker will be bent and its power sucked away into that thing. Any power that is taken away from itself and amassed into a box-like node, frees the one that left that node as a corpse-like blueprint of itself (because, as people of knowledge, we need to win the fight against the blinding strength of power — so they leave their power not entirely behind but in this intermezzo place, this middle, this liminal lodge)

A benefactor is someone who sees the immature nodes and helps them crack, like an egg (this is not certain to work, but to become a benefactor one has to have left their own node “behind”, and so they can reverberate with the immature egg-like node). That’s what Silvio Manuel was doing to CC. The fear he induced on CC was because his benefaction was happening at the nodal level, and so he seemed like the night itself to CC, because he was trying to apply pressure to his softer node through reverberation. At first, DJ found it best that CC did not know this. He shifted his attention towards the other-side benefactor that was Genaro. Genaro was like light itself compared.

Last thing: He also said that the old seers discovered that the assemblage point is not in the physical body, but in the luminous shell, in the cocoon itself. The nagual identifies that spot by its intense luminosity and pushes it, rather than striking it. The force of the push creates a dent in the cocoon and it is felt like a blow to the right shoulder blade, a blow that knocks all the air out of the lungs. Took this from that website about the nagual blow. It’s interesting because as she tried to catch the grey cat with her eyes, I asked her the number, she replied 5 and then I suddenly started seeing the cat as well, but silvery. What happened next I took as just an after-effect of the drugs, but I guess it wasn’t: she was sitting on the other extreme of the same place, on my right. If the blow comes from your right, it makes sense, since she fell down face to my arm and passed out for a moment before returning and sharing visuals with me (we having the same visual trip). If she fell towards me, on her left side, it’s because if there was any physical sensation of blow it was coming from her right side.

“The assemblage point of man appears around a definite area of the cocoon, because the Eagle commands it,” he said. “But the precise spot is determined by habit, by repetitious acts. First we learn that it can be placed there and then we ourselves command it to be there. Our command becomes the Eagle’s command and that point is fixated at that spot. Consider this very carefully; our command becomes the Eagle’s command. The old seers paid dearly for that finding. We’ll come back to that later on.” Question: Does he come back to this in other books? Maybe The Art of Dreaming? Because this is sounding a lot like what I just told you, the leftover “shells” of power. “He stated once again that the old seers had concentrated exclusively on developing thousands of the most complex techniques of sorcery. He added that what they never realized was that their intricate devices, as bizarre as they were, had no other value than being the means to break the fixation of their assemblage points and make them move.”

The people on the subreddit are afraid of this but they do not know what it is. They have no nagual and borrow energy from other people, but not any drugs. This is very concerning and weird. There is too much residual “Western” thought in them that they think is annihilated, so someone like Dan just projects something and tries to fight there. They’re in a loop in which they think to have achieved some sort of purity. They seem to think that the “mind” is any different from “reason”, and so maintain a type of panpsy approach that is anti-rationalist while postulating completely ideal conditions (mind = soul, strictly personal energy). When I cannot find a point (of earlier works) in which reason is made correlative with mind. It’s often the opposite. But I see now that they prefer the later books (and Dan has theories that discard things from older books)

Promise this is the last thing: “By all ordinary measures, you were indeed losing your mind,” he said, “but in the seers’ view, if you had lost it, you wouldn’t have lost much. The mind, for a seer, is nothing but the self-reflection of the inventory of man. If you lose that self-reflection, but don’t lose your underpinnings, you actually live an infinitely stronger life than if you had kept it.” From “The Fire from Within”. This loss of self-reflection is what happens to the “underpinnings”, the infrastructure of the sorcerer, which leads into the nodal life of staying invisible and unmovable. The nodes are alive, which is something I’ve felt since the first time.

Dan wants to know how much of this can be done without entheogens?

And yes I can do it without the drugs (which is what I said there, it was implied in the very post).

I really will reply, I’m just bogged down with various mundane things. Dan is obviously a bit mental but he does have some knowledge. It’s so weird, on the one hand he wants to encourage young people in with the promise of actual powers and then he eschews people who ask questions and act incredibly polite.

Just digesting what you said in bits. Your nodes theory seems possible but we’re in crazy land here. Who knows, I assumed the energy just dispersed. Why would it leave a node marker?

I think in an opposite manner. I think I come from asking “why would disperse it”? Coming from a post-relativity (in physics) mindset, I tend to just ask how something is gonna stop that other thing.

I suppose I think that because the animal is dead so the general awareness is gone.

You know, the inertia law in a vacuum, so if there isn’t a reason for something to dissipate, I assume it won’t.

Or if it’s gone, why is there a marker?

I see, I am assuming a kind of entropy, it’s true.

But still surely seems weird in such a flux like universe to have static blobs like this, which is why I thought they were probably like alien energetic poke throughs from some other level.

I see, it’s true it is a completely open, the topic as to what they are. In that moment I was just channelling a feeling of what it seemed like. it felt like something familiar.

“I can feel them like alien energy,
I place my intent towards them as if I were going there,
In a sense, they feel like nimbus energy somehow accumulated
In this way I can cast my attention to travel, almost astrally,
If I try this, I may fall to somnolence as if I wished to dream, to stalk…”

Seranoga (1964)

That time warping light being can also be to trying to read you.

It is 100% doing that

Indeed! Which is what I thought demons assumed as form in our “epoch”. This that I’m experiencing feels very close to summoning a high demon in Goetia. It feels like not trying to read me, but use me as camera to read everything else.  It’s the reciprocal thing. That’s why it feels like I’m feeding it and vice versa.

If it didn’t go away when you shut up shop, would that be a problem?

I’ve just noticed they the initial corner-bound thing could be a thing of my own creation. A barrier put there unconsciously like a net. I sit in a dark room (initially) and make my mind as negative (devoid of thought) as possible, like I’m both the bait and the hunter of these things

Which makes sense, beyond structural necessity, that architecture used corners and nowadays there is the problem of the corner (which capitalism seems to want over with).

Yes, I think this makes sense, any semiotic node is a possible exit/connecting line.

I doubt it will stick with me if I don’t want it to anymore.

I once read a lyric you remind me of ‘hidden claw of cornered sense, be well aware of false intent’. Seems strangely appropriate.

That’s a great one. Sounds like something from King Crimson. I just went for the figure of the spider that you hold to me, just now to better elaborate on the aspect of the lure and the corner

I’m sorry which spider?

Because it does feel like between two architectures here (one very oval-like and smooth, indigenous) and the other more in the western vein, better protected for a particular type of invader, jagged. That spider that appears a lot in poems and writings of Seranoga and some of your work. The corner thing though, it’s real. I tested it hehhahhahahaha.

Hang on though, is the house in dreaming or here?

But spreaded out, it went net-like in a way that did not permit me to interact with it very sorcery-like (doing things). It felt like an animal that solidified into an object, a tool for protection. Which made me thing if the architecture itself wasn’t made for the weaponization of these affects. But as protective feeders, a symbiosis.  So I went back to another common house with corners and did a trick:

I put a big jug full of crystal-clear water at the centre of the table at the centre of the room. Made everything dark but put a light under the jug. On the ceiling, then, many concentric circles formed but the projection did not touch the corners. With this, I was able to transport it from the corner into the circles. It coiled inside them like a snake and I could push it further into the centre if I wanted, or loosen it from the circles (as it filled them). My cousin which I was sharing it was the one to first catch what was happening once she looked up and saw a serpent-like thing. The houses are real but I can dream of them too, I just made the three of them darkrooms and experimented in altering the architecture while maintaining the same reciprocal thing with the manifestation (which by the way only appeared as manifest during these three sessions, and was seen by my cousin on the last one). That’s some news because it seems like I found a principle for the domination of space used by sorcerers. Could this be the origin of the protection circle? A space naturalized by you (so an intention-loaded place in a given pocket of space).

So you repeated the water thing in both houses?

The projection on the way former a circle of concentric circles yet the shadows formed something the made the edges feel more menacing. Yes, the oval one nothing happens because it just covers the entire house. Like the ceiling and walls till the feet but it can be restrained in the water light circles in the other. So it feels like the open

Did you try it with just a drawn circle on the floor?

And in the open, this thing only manifests as a looming gracious feeling. No, I used the projection and just after noticed how it was like a magickal circle.

I mean this is right on the border of the pneuminous/transcendent magickal rules thing. Does the water light thing work because it’s like a magick circle  (and accretive notiong) or do circles work because certain natural phenomena in the human realm facilitate that kind of trapping. I would be tempted to think the former.

I can say that at least in feeling it feels inherent to the forms themselves

Yes, but accretive structures are deep deep deep.

Not as a property of the circle, but a non-causal relational interaction between the concept of the circle and the conceptualizing thing (me and the IOB)

Some of them have been with us for tens of thousands of years. The circle seems to be one of the oldest of these “things”

Yeah, it does.

But again is it intrinsically protective, or does protection just get accreted to it, from the radiating glow of the primal fire? And the concentricity implied the movement of coiling if you’re a creature of certain body plan (i.e evolved on Earth).

On this I have two things ruminating. Either it is intrinsically protective or it became so because I was sharing power with the cousin. But even if it’s the latter case, it might just mean that it is latently protective and there needs to be something external that awakens this latency in the circle/spiral. I just lean more on this last point, that it’s a hybrid combo of an intrinsic protectiveness and an act of impeccability being able to boost this.

This ties to the zones thing I think, the architecture thing and the origin of protection circles (which might be a thesis for magick and sorcery sharing ancestrality or my favourite that sorcery is a later stage of magick, when corporal advantage is needed due to individual choice amplified by a type of land anarchy). Which would make something like the Inca all priests. While the people’s around them are the practitioners of the forbidden (sorcery is always forbidden in all bodies, even its own).

Sorry, if you told me but what does the gas metal thing do with the nodes?

No, I can’t move them. Just use them as points of access.  It’s me the one that moves

They remind me of the scouts in ‘The Art of Dreaming’ though they are not identical.

The gas metal is the same thing that goes over my head and appeared on the corner. It seems like a lens.

Yes it’s ok, I’m with that.

I haven’t arrived there yet in the book.

But does the gas metal thing interact with the nodes, and all I meant by move them was turn them which I thought you said you could do? Scouts are alien energy that appear in dreams, supposedly. I guess this would go for any weird states similar to dreaming. They act as transporters to other places like the IOBS world.

Oh ok. You meant turning. Yes, I can see how that’s confusing. I should describe them better. They feel like balloons filled with water but very solid if the gas metal is not amplified to a certain “frequency”.  I think they are something like alien energy, just my sense. The gas metal is like a lens that opens and goes faster of slower. It indeed feels like a projected (and indeed looks like) pupil, like something poking through, something visible from certain AP. They very much feel like alien presences, but that are in a transit so slow we might as well give up ever seeing or feeling any change unless we can tap into them intentionally (can only happen in dream because I feel drowsy just by trying). The rotation I mean in a way that feels more like a reverberation between them. They being like watermelons filled with water and strange stuff, they juggle only at surface level. The rotation they take up, its configuration, then guided the dream. I visit the placed that are “rotating”. Like a map