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At a glance I think it reminds me of the descriptions of using the will through the eyes and so I want to ask have you experimented with the will centre umbilical tentacle thing at all?

Just a bit, the way I told you. At that party. It didn’t really matter if the eyes were open or closed. This cord energy thing is not something I can replicate with ease like what I assume is dreaming (when the fog appears). It needs a certain level of energetic chaos, like a party, for it to pronounce itself more. I think this has to do more with the level of “living being” or mode of life I’m used to, which is people. I feel training with the wall of fog thing can make the connection possible during dreaming, given some real effort.

This is the phenomenon I mean. It’s clearly light refraction, but the moon shines like that. It has receded a bit from the corner there, as you can see, and settled in a position that barely peaks through the window

There are many very interesting things in here. I see again the Laruelle correlate with your notion of the transcendental grounding of the transcendental. I feel there are like two pulls here almost, you have managed to see how general babble of humans is strategic at semi-conscious levels. I mean sometimes we know we’re making strategic chatter and sometimes we don’t. I can readily understand what you mean but of course my interaction with it is theoretical/psychoanalytic and partially intuitive since I have always had some facility for reading people. However you are talking about something else. As in even if I am reading people correctly, applying that kind of mind-will to the situation (e.g. willing someone to turn around, or talk to someone else) is ineffective (for me) because it is only internal or at least is the kind of failed magickal attempt that makes these processes look not real. I presume this is because it comes from the mind-emotive structure which is tied to the internal dialogue machine and pretty impotent, whereas you are talking about manipulating the threads through your will (if we make it in CCs language).

I suppose these kinds of abilities are as you say the practical face of sorcery. Sorcery is and in a sense has to be physiological, this seems right but it also means we have to extend the physiological along the multidimensional axis. It springs to mind that sorcery positions one in a relation to any given world in a similar way. If all these worlds were real real then presumably some of the inhabitants are just in those worlds and not multidimensional beings. Sorcery seems to emphasise the movement between the worlds. Though because it is a perceptual alteration when it is applied to a world it reveals things that are hidden and equally when applied to the world itself it reveals also what is hidden (the other worlds). Which makes sense with the epithet ‘stop the world’.

As for it being open to everyone, I think this is true and not true, it is a difference of degree but some energy forms are much more receptive to it than others. This turns on the accretions that are plugging people up and maybe on an energetic configuration. Some kind of capacity is possible for everyone for sure, but then even as writing this it opens it up as a broader weirder term. Sorcery is maybe just an umbrella heading for the way in which perceptual alterations manifest. DJ seems to say clearly that sorcerers have wildly different tendencies, some can see, others can’t some aren’t even impeccable, some people who can ‘see’ aren’t sorcerers and so on. So it comes to function as a kind of heading for a collection of perceptual extensions through all manner of plug ins, to the exclusion (in the case of our definition) of systematized ritual words especially and practices arguably too -which is magick

On a related topic, I mean I think it was your answers here that made me go over this, I was considering how vast the accretive set up is and really how well it all ties in. I mean we literally live in the accretions, as in whilst still pneuminous you managed to peel a layer off to see a level of activity that whilst not the vector field, was kind of closer to it. I remember I wrote something before trying to convey how space is literally so pneuminously accreted when you consider that what we think of as space in physics is in such a flux the idea of identity is ridiculous even before you get to relativity. here and there are accreted, it is the conceptual structure of things we live in. It seems preposterous but it would back up the weird reality things in CC and in buddhism/daoism if digging away the accretive layers revealed the vector field but the vector field is so so much deeper than my imagined access by a kind of phenomenological perception e.g. looking at things and trying to perceive them as a continuum of non-separates.

The vector field is the well of sorcery.

Completely. The vector field as this well of sorcery makes it “made of” in a generic sense (using analogy) the unknowable. However, the unknowable as the transcendental of the transcendental is still a reflection not of our inability to consider the vector region, but because it is the only stuff we can understand the vector region being made of (as in having as property) from our viewpoint as organic beings fabricated by the accretions themselves in their field of interactions.

So although vector region is a generic term, it is not an abstraction in the sense of a kind or substance (the unknowable), but in fact there are an infinite continuum of interactions in the form of accretions forming and disintegrating in regions of the vector field. I think the synchronicities are a spontaneous/accidental and partial peeling off of the accretive interactions, momentarily. My “crack” in the attention resulted in a strangely accurate feeling for synchronicities, as if palpating their shapes in the dark. The moon stuff seems a case of this, in which more and more synchronicities are perceived after the fact of a type of ineffable experience.

This peeling off the layer could be understood in terms of resonance. If we have awareness as a rule for knowledge in sorcery, we still lack a definition of awareness. Right now, I’m thinking awareness is a threshold of resonance between the maximal amount of accretions in a given vector region (not the entire field, but a region). When this threshold is crossed, it’s like the accretions themselves give way to a peak of energetic activity in the region that we think as the totality of our awareness and so think as our vector region (when in fact we are not vector regions but occupy them).

This energetic peak is similar to a sublation of the accretions that compose us, but instead of the usual Kantian sense of his last critique, we do not pass through a sublimation-like correlate. Instead of the accretions giving way, they in fact resonate more with each other in the vector region which we occupy and that we perform the outburst of energy. So the vector field itself is not experienced as such, but the movement of accretions and their production is halted from disintegrating within that region.

This ties with CC given the immense energy one needs to use the second attention, and how each time knowledge is achieved one has to increase the level of impecabillity lest it displace one’s entire energetic reserve into the resonance (which implies other vector regions are more liable to be tapped as in attuned to the frequency of that region in energetic overdrive).

So if we think of the vector field as this infinite continuum, vector regions are artificially induced zones in the vector field that are maintaining a threshold level of energetic resonance which we understand as awareness. Vector regions are the sorcerers themselves, and the vastness of the zone is entirely dependent upon unique developments of that sorcerer

A vector region is the totality of oneself, and one doesn’t have it set from birth but is said to be fated to encounter its limit at death. So although at first glance it may seem like a Landian time-war thing, it’s more of a system of ethics. A system of ethics immanent to the vector field. (not in the sense of norms, but more in the sense of capacity, what can and cannot be achieved, in a Spinozian sense).

Dreaming is not necessarily the act of dreaming, but the art of expanding the awareness of a vector region by changing the circuitry of its interactive constituents. Dreaming is dangerous because the “personal power” of the dreamer may get lost mid resonance within its own expanding field. Invading forces appear due to this increasing resonance, and so one needs to partially close the second attention instead of simply leaving it open for as long as possible.

This creates a “problem”. This almost monist interpretation implies that pneuminosity is a perhaps unquantifiable measure of energetic resonance. In other words, it is something correlative with power. If we understand power as the force of structuring and control of accretions in their regions of the vector field, pneuminosity would be the “stuff” of power, the formalization of its principle in an ontological system.

This seeming problem, on the other hand, is a solution to the zones issue: how we explain there being divergence in the tonal/nagual and between zones themselves. For example, liminal spaces as a region in the vector field that, due to energetic resonance, has a degree of pneuminosity in “freer” state than heavily accreted regions like the economic heart in the middle of a city.

Pneuminosity, then, is a flat notion with a spectrum of modality. But, in the first attention, there can be perceived only the two extremes of its degree of freedom: bound and unbound pneuminosity. The maximal threshold of bounded pneuminosity is the opaque, material object, while the minimal threshold is the affects and forces that stimulate language production, such as immaterial accretions; notions, concepts. The second attention is simply the physiological alteration to perceive more of the spectrum besides the two extremes.

With the middle of the spectral band as the place of most condensed energetic resonance (and the gate to the third attention, where pneuminosity is in such a free state that it changes qualitatively. This qualitative change is the umbratic.

To become like the eagle is not necessarily impossible but for anyone reserving personal power it is a vacuous task (given that the very stuff of power is less rich in reality than the eagle itself).

Oh, I forgot to tell the biggest implication of this: pneuminosity can be produced. Like an economy has factories that, say, due to desire (investment) displace the wood of trees into machines for producing paper, pneuminosity is the material produced by awareness due to the desire (investment) of the predator (in our CC case, or our entire world’s case, the eagle) in an economy of worlds beyond the second attention itself.

This ties well with the universality of ritual practices and religious experience throughout the history of humanity. Gods are egregores, reflections of the human as we peek collectively into the figure of the predator as its shadow passes through our world. Our collective channelling of awareness’ desire towards escape projects the egregore into the limit of the second attention.

These egregores act as guides for that social body which projected it, and so also act as bridges between the first attention and the black horizon of the gate into the third.

These gods, that uniformly form pantheons across all cultures, reign each over the aspect of our relationship with the predator as themselves aspects of our relationship with the predator. While the predator itself is the totality (and end) of the world.

Proto-monotheism in the form of pluralistic forms of esoteric knowledge (such as the systems that became kabbalah) understood the pantheon while arche-principle and so developed formalized circuits of representation (the tree of life, for example, is the entire genealogy of a pantheon put into a language of/for channeling). The sefirot are each an aspect or egregoric god-aspect of the totality of the world that is the circuit of the entire tree. Malkuth being the limit of the first attention and Keter the limit of the second in a way representative of the godhead. To simplify, this was obviously co-opted in the transition to full-blown monotheism.

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This transcript is of a conversation between the CEO’s Balthazar Schlep and Lis who has been experimenting with various sorcery techniques. We do not recommend emulating Lis’ experiments at home.

Lis is italicised to differentiate the voices.

CC is Carlos Castaneda. DJ is Don Juan. AP is Assemblage point (the energetic intensity that determines what reality will be experienced). IOB is inorganic being

Maybe the second attention thing works like an antenna attuned to stuff that might lead to more awareness, so maybe the unconscious, not necessarily the nagual as metaphysical character, taps into others’ calls for reasons who can know. I think along the lines of relationships between figures of thought, which are the accretions in a restricted mode. DJ would probably say it’s futile to try to think about stuff like this.

But I now feel that what DJ was truly meaning was, in fact, just to say it’s the moon and roll with it. Not because he thinks it’s the moon, but exactly because he’s not interested in playing with the relationships that former the reflexion of that interaction. But now I get why an Indian in Mexico would have to live like that, having to secure two different lines of life (Yaqui and businessman) he had to take a rune-like chant: anything goes. If he’s late to work because of some heavy hallucinogenic session the day prior, he is actually not late. He just says “eh, it was the moon”, brisks it off and is at work. Which seems like a specific to DJ magical pass (he had an affinity for the throat/tongue if I remember correctly). So yes, it’s all relative to perspective.

When I say it’s the moon accretion it’s not meant to be denigrating (you don’t sound offended I’m just being clear). I mean there is nothing but the moon accretion for the moon to be. There’s a vector region right. That changing light thjng in the night sky. The moon accretion in all its scientific occult detail is plugged into this vector. Now maybe bodies like the moon have consciousness that isn’t just egregore formation. Even if they do it will be altered by the human accretions. You did necessarily in a sense talk to the moon. The feeling is sufficient to guarantee that the accretion was tapped. The only caveat would be if it was possible to delineate between and actual moon consciousness and the accretion. I don’t really think you can do this though

Oh not at all (I mean not offended). I’m really just having a lot of fun and going with the vibe. You have to remember I was already c Oh not at all ( I mean I’m not offended). I’m really just having a lot of fun and going with the vibe. You have to remember I was already cracked on psychedelics long ago, I’ve seen stuff just as weird but never had racked on psychedelics long ago. I 100% agree that’s how it is (on the vector field). I even said so sometime prior, no? In a paragraph where I was rambling my experiences. That I started to understand it as fields of relationships and relations. That’s the concept of the reticular reflexion (I “become” the moon to the same extent that it becomes “me”, it’s a matter of perception altering itself to a minimally increased level of awareness (so in this case being that all this weird stuff converged into a moment where whatever force that could help me do what I needed helped me get to it). That’s was “this mission”. The fictionalization is very Laruelle but as we say, better.

Even if the moon has consciousness, it’s something on the level of a god (which she herself is to a lot of people). There’s no way anyone could fully tap into that as in fully become one with the moon. I understand that my word usage “a oneness” was misleading.

I’m not so arrogant to think something like that. I thought we were clear on the fictionalized aspect of the becoming. But yes, it’s indeed a vector region with fields and tensions. All shamanic encounters are themselves mediations, because the shaman is the seer. The mediation is done through the shaman’s body. Maybe, in a very accelerated state of mind, the inscriptions that won’t over my skin have something to do with the general development of tribal tattoos and the body modifications of some cultures. Giving there is a central shaman, which itself is a metaphysical character, one but taps into as in becomes the shaman’s avatar for that time as organic being, surely cultures would develop body modifications to approach the archetypal shaman-warrior and shaman-healer/diplomat.

One good thing to add before I forget is that the inscriptions were indeed symbols that seemed cohesive. I almost indulged in the moment and tried to crack them. But when I started to try, the symbols started shifting into eyes, not one the same. It didn’t feel bad, but like a protective cocoon — a temporary one.

They didn’t leave my body, though. They just became scarcer in visibility until disappearing. I felt like I could “purge” them out the other palm if necessary.

I don’t think you’re arrogant. Sorry I wasn’t trying to be didactic about the vector field thing. I think I write it over as it excites me to see and think it through in a concrete instance.

I know, you were just trying to ground me. I appreciate the concern. I mean, if I really had cracked for good it would be a nice way to ground me again.

An openness to recalibrate and consider everything, as magical as it may have been, “just that” is the key to balance the dangers I’d say. That’s why probably no one should try just doing this stuff without someone else helping along. The sorcerers take an apprentice and don’t let go of them for a reason.

New short report: family party yesterday, but only more of the younger generations (cousins, their pairs etc.). I think due to the quantity of people tight in a house after some time doing dark rooms and the occasional guidance with few friends, something changed. This lot of jumbled emotions and thoughts in a room and through corridors, going in and outdoors etc, put me in a really weirdly new state. I became like a separate person: two senses of perception, one the normal me making conversation with everyone, the other still normal me but one tasked with interacting directly with the affects swirling through. Like the eye thing, that each one becomes a different perspective instead of amassing all the information into one normalize vision.

It seemed, instead of a loss of lucidity, like there was more of it. It was just like I was being me normally while now able to feel the affects like a music. The cool part is that each thing hit me like a “unit” or package (quanta) of emotion, like intonations in a song, and it hit like chords of a harp or string instrument. So, in essence, it felt like reading the “hearts” of people, and, through the intention behind words and acts, not interpret but have instant access to what they’re trying to accomplish by saying something. Everything said, say a comment about a series that’s on the tv, was an analogy or metaphor to speak about interpersonal relationships. Usually to criticize someone to someone else without nobody noticing (with the theory of the unconscious, if striking at something true at all, attests to this infra-perceptive dimension that we are always communicating between ourselves unbeknownst to the ego).

So I noticed something: all interaction between the people there, even though using topics like music and film, careers and hobbies, were not in fact about any of those things, but only about the people inside the house, usually the people in the same room. Everything from outside is a means to an end, the end of conveying influence towards someone or something through acts of perfected subliminal manipulation. It did not feel shameful, but beautiful. Like the veil of humanity being superior in a metaphysical sense, or even rationally, completely fell off to a jungle of gibbering bonobos.

When I noticed this, and due to it I felt even better and more attuned to the party, I started trying to isolate certain tunes. From these tunes, I tried isolating the exact chord towards a certain person in order to reproduce back, reflect to them, that single tonality of a chord continually. It seems to correlate (phenomenologically) in a less than scientifically acceptable way, that I catalysed the leaving of a couple of people trying to cause confusion and, and that’s ridiculous I know, a type of spontaneous orgasm on a sofa (a woman, just by herself).

If anything, if we speculate a correlation here, these chords and their tuning via these bursts of energy directly to other people’s specific chords seems like the filaments of light (although I don’t have enough power, as DJ would say, to just see them in their entire splendour).

The attitude of the people, also, goes well with the vector region/reticular reflexion: concepts and notions in language games. As Wittgenstein said, if I remember correctly, that if someone could really see all the intricacies of his face (I presume to an atomic level, or sub) then he himself would be being read like a book. Not only language in a restricted sense, but our own accretions (concepts, notions) are constructs that serve functions. Yet they’re machinic because they exist outside us. They are real but we fabricate little linguistic machines out of them, using them as pieces to a temporary message that serves a purpose, an end. After the fact, if the intent is conveyed or not, the little parts that are the accretions go out of the vector region and disassemble back.

This last analogy makes any sense at all with how the accretive system was “opened” through the zones research? How you’ve been saying that the reticulum may be the solution to the problem. Sorcery is indeed all about physiological changes (if this is correct) and how these changes open pathways to new ones via an expanded/altered form of perception.

And veritably has ties (if not being it entirely) with an ethics of ethics. A meta-ethics (since it essentially is the process of changing the ethics of a body — a body of people, a bloodline). Both organized religion and science (arguably almost a religion of the new paradigm), and philosophy itself in its classical understanding, and really any social institution, has its common root in sorcery as a practice ulterior to we as humans. A process of which nature uses to regulate itself, with animals as part of it (and seemingly more attuned to nature in the first place, to a society with institutions, because of their radically different institutions). The reverberates the shaman’s lemma that all modes of being have a human spirit, making humanity not the Homo sapiens, but what makes the Homo sapiens capable of developing norms to accrete institutions to shape its own development in the first place.

So the appearance of there being a nature at all is a condition of being human (as in partaking in sorcery), which grounds a transcendental reality as the sphere of influence their concepts are operative (functional) for the creation (poiesis) of their institutional bodies and the field of vector regions that intersect them like the skeleton of a body always in formation.

Sorcery is, in this case, the useless name for a version of Heraclitus’ flux on steroids. Everyone that has a nature and is compositive of a kind partakes in it at many levels of existence simultaneously (daily life, molecular life, atomic life, subatomic, etc.). It is a transcendental condition for the sense of transcendentality to be derived from in the first place. The sorcerer, then, is not different to anyone in kind but in degree. The degree of freedom/perception/awareness of all these existential thresholds makes one a weak or powerful sorcerer. Impeccability is the lemma because anyone who affirms to be a sorcerer, is one. There are no restrictions of participation because it’s not an institution but the fountain from which they spring like artifacts. Inorganic beings are merely the name expressive of any existence that has more energetic conditions for awareness than whatever remains with a nature and kind. They are inorganic due to this fact, and in fact are entirely synthetic beings (instead of synthetic organisms, which only organic beings fabricate as a means of simulating the energetic output of the synthetic beings/inorganic beings).

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This transcript is of a conversation between the CEO’s Balthazar Schlep and Lis who has been experimenting with various sorcery techniques. We do not recommend emulating Lis’ experiments at home.

Lis is italicised to differentiate the voices.

CC is Carlos Castaneda. DJ is Don Juan. AP is Assemblage point (the energetic intensity that determines what reality will be experienced). IOB is inorganic being

I think the reticulum solves my general manifestationist problem since if we make it a presupposition and not a theory the reticulum constitutes an ontological level of connectivity that is not part of philosophical debate, if we treat it as a ground zero ontological reality, rather like the Laruellian one (but better) it is not subject to theory in the same way. Yet better than the Laruellian one, it can sort of be spoken about (I understand he does something like this too though I have never got that far), because it is only hidden and not speculative.

Yes, to your first assertion. The impeccability rule is washed out in later activities and works of CC much like the metaphysics and logics of stoicism are distilled into an unifying aesthetic serving as rule-of-thumb morality. The notion of impeccability is clearly “lost” to whatever has become of it. The term might be tainted.

About the exciting stuff that yanks you out of the comfort of madness is very akin to DJ finally realizing CC needs his notebook and changing approaches, wanting him to learn to continue writing but with his fingers over the air instead in a surface of scientific recording. I think DJ understood how difficult for someone non-indigenous like himself it is to leave old habits. I always had an intuition that the finger writing in the air thing was DJ trying to make CC realize how the very fabric of reality is a recording apparatus of which his notebook is a mere imitation. Something almost Platonic (or its inverse). To get lost in the excitement of production is such a tool to record and “annotate the air”. It feels like reproduction, in some ways, while the comfort of madness feels like constantly remaining pregnant.

To get a balance of this, a really impeccable one, probably feels like “seeing”. As in seeing the leaves go orange and understanding its fall season (just like it might be time to put in a different kind of work than what we’ve been concentrating for a while). This last thing, this comfort that we get in continuing to do that thing that initially gave us a spark could be seen as what DJ calls indulging. In a way, impeccability could be also to know (via seeing) when to shift focus (which means shifting the AP back). The Julian guy was said by DJ to be a type of sorcerer that likes to go to the bottom of the pool and remain there. DJ personally was afraid of doing so.

It really just depends on the person. There are no rules. In my case, intercalating different types of work help. But I have something probably more important, which is to shut down all writing and project stuff for a period in the year and just focus on my body (working out, seeing friends), etc.

In my experience, it had to be something “useless”. Something that we know just serves the sake of itself (like meditation).

About the reticulum thing, I agree that it solves the problem. And it’s amazing how it came up from conversations like this. In trying to crack your accretive theory, we find ourselves delineating a somewhat universal definition of sorcery as not a system itself but the negativity intrinsic to any system, what conditions conversation between systems (a theory of metaphysical translation?).

“As non-philosophical rebellion is enacted, it cannot regress or belong to the philosophical tradition, but it has effects on it and for it. Laruelle notes that pure heresy is a discovery “that exceeds both philosophy and science and puts them into relations unknown to either”

“As non-philosophical rebellion is enacted, it cannot regress or belong to the philosophical tradition, but it has effects on it and for it. Laruelle notes that pure heresy is a discovery “that exceeds both philosophy and science and puts them into relations unknown to either” Isn’t this sorcery? But doesn’t sorcery itself also show how heresy is simply a reflection/residue from his quantum Christianity? To give such a name to something that has this quality of colligation (such as between science and philosophy) is almost the same as to name it “The Transgressive” all over again.

Sorcery is only heresy from the viewpoint that created particular systems in reciprocal relationship (Western institutions such as science, philosophy, and religion in the Christian sense). So while heresy is something powerful, it remains a bubble (its sphere of action is inside the field of relations between the particular institutions that produce its possibility). But heresy is NOT heresy anymore when we consider it sorcery from sorcery’s viewpoint (which creates a zone of alienation in which no institutions are allowed, rather than create an eternal struggle against an ineffable apparatus like the State in Anti-Oedipus).

If we do not operate from a scientific/religious/philosophical etc. stand-point, we cannot be heretics (but we are necessarily sorcerers).

Don’t you think something needed here is the ability to differentiate sorcery from chaos magick which is in fairness its closest competitor, I’m not saying this is too difficult but it would need doing, it is a bit of a funny one as CM person can just appropriate anything of from sorcery, totally involve themselves in it except that of course sorcery in the sense of the new seers thing pretty much entirely undercuts that, though there are some exceptions, the assemblage point, the eagle. CM of course entirely welcomes any old highly ritualized practice it just grants it no reality in itself, then there is the psychonaut community who you could argue are closer even to sorcery than CM except I think they are at least partially based in these being explorations of the mind and not necessarily a wider reality, but some of that tendency are less interested in magick and more in exploration, hence the sorcery connection, except again they are almost entirely grounded in entheogens.

I think what I have to say of this breakthrough is the chaos magick differentiator you seek. My guy, the IOB thing was way bigger than I thought.

I told you that I had sensed it as that weird ball of dark energy with a shifting opening that was light itself, and that it pulsated in the top corner of the room.

Today I noticed two things at the same time, before a third thing happened that left me flabbergasted (in a good way).

The two things I noticed first were an outburst of golden energy as if coming from the horizon, in a droning scream of bird, and the other was that the light of the IOB approached my palm and my left eye started to dilate its pupil alone, transforming the air into visible inscriptions that danced as a thick fog came from all the ways like a wall.

The air that transformed into visible inscriptions was the light coming from the IOB, and they just stayed there until I decided, by myself, to let them dance over my body. So they started to crawl over my skin and become like tattoos (tribal tattoos).

When the process was approaching a certain limit, the entire light became the moon’s (as if the ceiling of the room was erased), and I finally understood that the place the IOB was pulsating from was the placement of the moon’s orbit.

I remember a moment of pure intent when the moon asked if she could, now that my body was inscribed, inhabit it. But it did not feel like someone asking me, as in a personal force. It felt like a oneness, that I was speaking the language of the moon.

And so I just left the dance take its course and so it happens that the outbursts of bird scream and golden light I noticed all the while were screams. I quite literally cannot explain how I knew this and what happened after. It felt safe the whole time, though. Nothing like Carlitos’ scares. And I was surprised at myself for not getting scared.

So yeah, the IOB was actually the moon and I seem to have channelled her into.

Hmm proper second attention stuff.

The moon or a lunar being?

It fits with the dark and the light If the thing is brighter generally now maybe it is altering with the moon cycle.

The power you’ve tapped seems to be drawing you into a kind of shamanic world/nature. If it does alter with the moon cycle this means what you are experiencing is a deep accretion. Again I’m not being dismissive but of course the moonphase is human contingent. In a sense at least, but aeons have passed since humans accreted agency to the moon. This doesn’t deny it might have a nature of relations of other kinds, but the accretion is the kind of human interface. I mean this is madness but if we were to wonder then we could ask ‘what the fuck is the moon up to?’ So I’m thinking: Silver. Moon colour of classic antiquity, I think this might be a line. Speculative of course. Silver atomic number 47. I mean the madness of the reticulum is of course that rather like the Landian AI god. The line I’ve just drawn is now real. ‘Then this line drawn is a key’. Maybe Crowley’s lines are the reticular lines.

I don’t know if it was a moon cycle or just that right window of moment (some 10 days) the moon stayed there (here we have different lunar cycles because there’s no four seasons, just two).The moon generally stays put in a place for like two weeks before shifting to another position (not changing phases). So it’s full moon half the year. Continuously.

I thought the moon phases were the same everywhere.

I don’t know about nominal synchronicities, but I’ve always felt a strong affective pull towards the moon. It was kind of my thing for a while. It might’ve started then

I believe you in all these things, but my rational occult filters do what they do.

Oh, I’m not taking this seriously. I mean, it’s experimentally cool. I won’t go crazy or anything.

Hahaha

Yes, I know. I mean that here specifically in the Northern regions the cities are usually built in tbe altitudes or depressions (the area is all curved). So we live inside circuits of mounts forming like a pan around a city. The difference in moon phases in the Southern and Northern hemispheres of the globe is the same, but they’re “inverted”. However, because here North we have these different atmospheric compositions, the “side” of the moon that’s dark still gets reflected. So it appears as if there’s full moon half the year and a small, almost minuscule moon for the other half. These two influx the pressure of the depression to build up and pummel the winds covered in a thick haze. It’s when we get the “full moon”. When it settles more, in comes the dryness and so goes the moon (it remains almost invisible to the naked eye).

The fixity of it is also a matter of optical illusion. Due to the refraction of the dim light amid the gases over the depression (surrounded by mounts like a pan), during the “full moon” season we can see it better just down there in the city of specific places in the sierras

But I only relate how it felt. I was just saying it felt like the moon, not considering it rationally. That’s the experiment, right? So if anything this moon thing is linked to this, since it’s connected to the droughts (when the moon vanishes here).

I do think it’s a shamanic/world thing as you say. For sure if any tapping with the moon (even if we go by scientific rigour) or moon-adjacent thing is for an earthly “cause”. This cause does indeed feel like being called as a helper, or something of the like.

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“We are nothing but a swarm of telepathic spirits,
Each screaming for our own attention,
Each reading the other’s intention“
Seranoga (1964)

This transcript is of a conversation between the CEO’s Balthazar Schlep and Lis who has been experimenting with various sorcery techniques. We do not recommend emulating Lis’ experiments at home.

Lis is italicised to differentiate the voices.

CC is Carlos Castaneda. DJ is Don Juan. AP is Assemblage point (the energetic intensity that determines what reality will be experienced). IOB is inorganic being

() wants to know how much of this can be done without entheogens?

I can do it without the drugs.

Just digesting what you said in bits. Your nodes theory seems possible but we’re in crazy land here. Who knows, I assumed the energy just dispersed. Why would it leave a node marker?

I think in an opposite manner. I think I come from asking “why would disperse it”? Coming from a post-relativity (in physics) mindset, I tend to just ask how something is gonna stop that other thing.

I suppose I think that because the animal is dead so the general awareness is gone.

You know, the inertia law in a vacuum, so if there isn’t a reason for something to dissipate, I assume it won’t.

Or if it’s gone, why is there a marker? I see, I am assuming a kind of entropy, it’s true. But still surely seems weird in such a flux like universe to have static blobs like this, which is why I thought they were probably like alien energetic poke throughs from some other level.

I see, it’s true, it is a completely open, the topic as to what they are. In that moment I was just channelling a feeling of what it seemed like. it felt like something familiar. () said of IOBs that “They also like to obsess people with irrelevant details, like the “nodes”.” So, without knowing or trying to understand what is being related, he just picks the word “nodes” and throws it to the side, implying via the quotation marks that it’s just a concept in the sense of a nominal notion, something too subjective to matter, a dream in the illusory sense. “It’s like pretending to be a demon, to scare people.” Here he is quoting DJ using other words, when DJ was showcasing his pessimism to CC about how there is no point to wanting power anymore, that power only serves to scare indians.

“They also pretend to have important details, to obsess you.” Again quoting the books with other words, just the advice from Genaro’s boys in general. There is even a part when, if I remember correctly, La Gorda or someone else said they only keep saying this to CC because they don’t get to obsess over anything, IOBs don’t offer them playthings.

“They get energy either way.” This paints the IOBs as just power-hungry things divested of anything but the intent to more power (which is, logically, no intent at all but just the recursive nature of power).

“Best way to think of them as they’re little kids with magic disguise boxes. Can be anything, or do anything, to get attention. Once you figure that out, they stop doing that and become more reliable.” I would say that doing this is very belittling and may be the reason Dan is bonkers, because if the IOBs are like what I experienced or how the books describe, they are not little fairy-like children that you can just scoff at. He thinks this shows impeccability (remaining still in the face of IOBs, understanding them as intellectually lesser), but it shows projection and resolution (classic neurotic loop). We can see how this goes well with what I said prior, that they think there is some purity to it all. They seem to gatekeep this because it’s like defending a virgin to them, or the waters of youth never touched by human if not to help the sacred tree drink from it.

“Or if you read the books, you have to “wrestle” them. But you aren’t always wrestling them physically.” He is an easy one to crack. Just look at how he uses quotation marks like the way I described. By saying “wrestle”, he is implying something devoid of meaning from a logical stand-point, something ineffable that cannot be analyzed (so it might as well be useless).

This is idealism of an extreme tinge to it, but not properly organized or made sense in a holistic manner. He is discombobulated in his speech and reveals every single one of his cards without much care, he just bursts into expressing himself because he thinks he is at the pinnacle of power in that subreddit (energetically speaking) and gave up “finding a nagual”.

“Fancy, my “evil” IOB, used to drop cages on me. Until I ignored each variety. And then she stopped doing that.” What the fuck

“IOBs look like and do what you expect. And while everything they do is significant, it’s only significant in your case. And you’ll never figure out what it was, unless you can summon them daily and make friends with them.” This goes against our understanding of sorcery as something that pushes magick to a bodily transformation-like function of war and battle. This defeated attitude of “it will only do something for you and only you” is solipsistic in the same way magic is being criticized for not possessing economically relevant applications since the ancients. Until it found its first great application that was the monastery and the order of what D&G call the “celibate machines” in the early church. Now, this is the application of organic magic, the mutation, and the growth of the virtual form of capital as the techno-theocratic state. In short, he thinks IOBs are tulpas.

But a tulpa, as we’ve talked about through Lynch, is a projection that replicates a reticular manifestation through an artificial telos (intention towards a task). This telos itself could be “become sentient” or “become free”, which is the principle of the alchemical golem, the homunculus. This we know, of course, but it doesn’t seem to me that () knows that what he is thinking are IOBs are his own projections of virtual forms of tulpas.

It would make sense with his graph (that I just saw yesterday) tracing the whole circuitry of what the subreddit is about. He has pet projections (like the purple puffs or the tulpas) which he took from CC-adjacent stuff and his own things as someone who was involved later on, and he uses these pet projections as simulated accretions that can them be energized by the very act of practicing them. In other words, the subreddit has become a way to channel subjective intent into his projections (once he knows he cannot do some things due to the limitation of the nagual being lost).

He thinks he is doing this as a way to preserve the knowledge of these things.

You really think his IOBs are just chaos magick accretion/egregores?

Definitely, he does indeed pass that energy. He is someone in a bad loop. I don’t think he is interacting with true IOBs at all. They seem like devious projections. We gotta remember, Carlitos only did the IOB thing properly split. This guy is proclaiming that just about everyone can “summon them” and call them pet names and silence them, but they’re like interdimensional gods. Both ideas co-exist in his mind.

As you say correctly there is like a total focus on the later books, which I can see rules out a lot of old seers type magic like practices but I think throws away too much. Yes he is making light of interactions with things and encouraging the weird pet name thing, telling people they’ll get crazy powers, it’s not good.

Indeed, it is very weird and that’s why I just felt weird from the start when that guy showed up almost a year ago now.

Do you think like they are like gods? Aren’t they interdimensional beings? Just animals from totally different environments.

No, I mean like for ()  they’re at the same time powerful things like Gods and fairy-like minute things that you can pet-call and ignore. He thinks both of these things which makes no sense.

I see.

Indeed, I think it is. I agree that phenomenologically what is happening is bonkers and all over conceptual spaces of all kinds. But the way he phrases it is so dismissive of the entire thing. It’s like he wants to make anyone give up on sorcery. He closed himself off in a half-formed world, and the window to that, that connects what he’s made of his world with ours is simply that subreddit

It does indeed seem like he wants to make it impossible, 3 hours a day dark room , three hours a day recapitulation. I think he thinks he’s what’s left of the lineage. Carlos couldn’t really do it and produced people like this, maybe he’s even one of the better ones who knows.

I think it’s no joke when the naguals say CC fucked up bad and imagine his daily routine in the 90s. Mansions full of people like (), fighting for attention of someone who essentially became a guru.

He did fail, they knew he was going to fail, and he knew it too.

Yes, and this has some correlation with the entire mythos of Mexican indigenous culture as well. With the motif being that of loss.

As Genaro says at one point: ‘you’re the sorriest looking nagual I’ve ever seen’.

Just as some priests and conquistadores reported weird scenes where entire cities would just go silently away into the forest and leave all the gold and good for the “blonde people”, without a fight or fear just a really weird cosmology that hinges on the notion of loss.

That phrase got me hard when I first read it. It’s so melancholic. It reads like he doesn’t expect to ever find another full nagual. It’s like an ennui. Which in a way marks the failure of DJ already, of adapting fully.

We can see a lot of distaste towards DJ in the subreddit. The focus on later works and ways of life is so huge that it’s common that people there try to shift the blame of CC’s failure to DJ. And this thing I realized about the darkroom being something you “make” by altering the physiology of your pupils and ears is telling that my “youness” needs to, indeed, be tamed a bit. Or else we’re suggesting the “new darkroom” The numbing of the experimentee’s excitement is essential. Dan is acting in a way his warped circuitry makes him think is impeccable. If he stops, he breaks for good. Which is by itself a form of impeccability But weakened, expended.

It’s all such a mess and it reminds me for a lot of people and indeed the general positivity you do hear about CC is of course exactly the impeccability thing. Not the madness, which as discussed is in many ways no use to anyone. The systems’s usage to general people is just to pull themselves up a bit and try their best in what they do and don’t get hung up thinking shit over and over again. It is also clear someone could live as a warrior and never have anything to do with the madness. Indeed I myself with my general lack of ability in the liminal ways do end up considering exactly these notions, because once you face this kind of ‘there is nothing better to do whilst alive than temper your spirit’, this is quite hard to find fault with. What’s harder is trying to trim and improve and not sit there sneakily hoping ‘have i done enough trimming for something weird to happen, which is ridiculous.

I realised something, for me that is, one of the best ways to dislocate myself from the weirdness is exactly to get excited about all this writing stuff, it is as CC would describe a ‘shield.’ These kinds of exciting flows make me really engaged with the CEO generally and simultaneously nearly kill my actual ability to be silent, or certain feelings I get when I know I am closer to the weirdness, we could call them subtle AP shifts.